Curse

GraFFix · Sep 19, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

Ive recently got the PvP bug and was having a good time in the arenas...then I decided to try TOPK and possibly get to the HoH but if not at least id be having fun as the battles are alot more fun there.

Anyways, I can sit around and try to get into a party forever and I will never get an invite as a blood/death degen/well necro.
BUT! If im an Order/vamp/well necro then Ill get 100 invites....for IWAY teams! I just dont understand why people run these IWAY teams. I was in around 10 IWAY parties last night and not once did we ever win, and im not talking winning the HoH im talking the first battle. we can get past the ghosts but then its usually all downhill from there. Its a very weak build but yet everyone seems to be running it in the tombs. Why?

I just want to join a normal party...you know a balanced team. I know there are alot of specific builds out there and maybe they dont call for necro but we are usefull even if you dont think so..and honetly I think I add a great deal to any party im in. Im am so tired of IWAY's I will not join another one. The only problem is it seems that no one else wants a necro

What must I do to get into a decent party?

Algren Cole · Sep 19, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

IWAY can't hold the hall(atleast what I've heard)...I've ran the build It's fun. You literally don't have to know anything to run it. Just run up to the other team and hack and slash your way to victory...when someone on your team does IWAY yourself back to life. IWAY is the FOTM so everyone and their mother is running the build. It gives you a decent shot at taking the hall without having to do any thinking.

in regards to your problem. Necromancers suck ass at pvp..why anyone would use a necromancer is beyond me. There is no need for them on a PvP team. All you need for PvP is 6 warrior/monks and 2 healer monks.

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:04 PM // 16:04

well, IWAY is a build that can win you a lot of matches but very rarely if every can you hold the hall with it.

as far a balanced teams there are not a lot out there at the moment, most are either smite or IWAY.

that being said advertise yourself as a disenchant necro and you will get many invites. I do not know what your rank or fame is, but if it is low that also hurts your chances of getting into a good group. most people are obsessed with rank now.

in any case good luck to you

JL_99 · Sep 19, 2005, 04:07 PM // 16:07

It can definitely be very frustrating getting into a group for tombs at times...the best advice I can give you is try one of these things:

- Change your build to something that fits the FOTM and join a group
- Be flexible with your primaries and secondaries, be willing to change your character to fit whatever somebody's non-FOTM group needs.
- or make your own group based on your favorite character. Come up with a build that suits that character, then recruit from the people waiting around n the districts.

For the most part, you will probably have very little success with a "well-balanced PUG". Well-balanced teams can work, but a weak link or two can be a lot more devastating than in something fairly mindless like IWAY or smite.

On another note, it sounds like you happened to be on some very bad IWAY teams. They rarely win HoH, but they also generally can make it through the first few rounds leading up to it without too much trouble.

GraFFix · Sep 19, 2005, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

in regards to your problem. Necromancers suck ass at pvp..why anyone would use a necromancer is beyond me. There is no need for them on a PvP team. All you need for PvP is 6 warrior/monks and 2 healer monks.

You sir are sadly mistaken...but thats where the problem is. There are alot of people who think the same way. Open your mind a little. Theres so much more in PvP other then W/Mo's

Double post:

JL_99 I admit that some of the teams were really bad...And i am very open to change. Im using my PvG character to play in tombs and I have every skill minus a few elites which im getting one by one every night. So i dont mind changing. I did manage to make it to the HoH with 1 IWAY team sat night but it was very late and i dont think there were many playing then lol.

salja Wachi - My rank is very low Ive just started with the PvP part of the game. I guess its all part of the game though you got to start somewhere. BTW im from the NW side of chicago...Nice to see a local on here

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by GraFFix

You sir are sadly mistaken...but thats where the problem is. There are alot of people who think the same way. Open your mind a little. Theres so much more in PvP other then W/Mo's

i am 100% certain you missed the sarcasm in his post.

GraFFix · Sep 19, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

I guess i did...Ohh well like I said the tomb is a little new to me..I might have 20 runs under my belt now. And those are from this weekend. its hard to know what people want or what people are running there. All I know is that IWAY was all over the place and thats what I was doing...which to me is no fun. I like spiking/degen and actually helping not sitting back and hitting order of pain and tossing wells. its just a little discouraging from someone trying to do something new with this game. especially when you cant get an invite.

Sep 19, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

OK first off, every team requires a Necro. It will be hard for any player that is not of rank 3 to get in a non noob group, not just you as a Necro. Why do you see a lot of IWAY you ask? Because it is a build that requires no skill at all, and it is easy for a brainless Tombs PVPer to throw it together.

A Necro is usefull for IWAY builds, and it is also the most usefull against IWAY builds. One big reason you are not getting into well put together builds is because you are spamming as a Death/Blood Necro, these 2 attributes do not work well together in Tombs. Go Death/Curses and you'll get better teams. Take your time and you'll find teams and meet players you'll play with frequently. It is a tough beginning for any player in Tombs. Do not join IWAY teams. You will not find any players running that build that are worth playing with. Patience will pay off in the future.

You want to set up your character as a support character. Read over the skills and see what would support your team well. Rigor Mortis, Death Wells(Profane/Suffering), Tainted Flesh{Elite}, Rend Ench, Putrid. Your Death att should be 16 with the rest distributed between Soul Reaping and Curses.

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by GraFFix

I guess i did...Ohh well like I said the tomb is a little new to me..I might have 20 runs under my belt now. And those are from this weekend. its hard to know what people want or what people are running there. All I know is that IWAY was all over the place and thats what I was doing...which to me is no fun. I like spiking/degen and actually helping not sitting back and hitting order of pain and tossing wells. its just a little discouraging from someone trying to do something new with this game. especially when you cant get an invite.

yes it can be a bit tougher to get a good team if you are new to tombs. my advie to you is to try and get a good friends list together or go with guildmates. once you get to rank 3 it will be easier to get groups. i know it should not be that way but that is the reality

Sep 19, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Algren Cole obviously has no idea what Tombs is about, 6 W/Mo and 2 heal Monks? LMFAO yeah, Algren go do that build, I hope my team faces you, I need some flawless Faction.

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Resin

OK first off, every team requires a Necro. It will be hard for any player that is not of rank 3 to get in a non noob group, not just you as a Necro. Why do you see a lot of IWAY you ask? Because it is a build that requires no skill at all, and it is easy for a brainless Tombs PVPer to throw it together.

A Necro is usefull for IWAY builds, and it is also the most usefull against IWAY builds. One big reason you are not getting into well put together builds is because you are spamming as a Death/Blood Necro, these 2 attributes do not work well together in Tombs. Go Death/Curses and you'll get better teams. Take your time and you'll find teams and meet players you'll play with frequently. It is a tough beginning for any player in Tombs. Do not join IWAY teams. You will not find any players running that build that are worth playing with. Patience will pay off in the future.

You want to set up your character as a support character. Read over the skills and see what would support your team well. Rigor Mortis, Death Wells(Profane/Suffering), Tainted Flesh{Elite}, Rend Ench, Putrid. Your Death att should be 16 with the rest distributed between Soul Reaping and Curses.

hmm i have to disagree with you my friend. It is not a good thing to limit yourself at all. so saying 16 in death and the rest split between the other 2.

the better idea is to get into a groupd and see what they are looking for. a blood/curse necro is good as well.

wht i am saying is do not limit yourself. advertise yourself as a necro/ whatever and make it clear you can change your build to whatever someone needs.

flexibility will get you into more groups

Sep 19, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35

16 in Death. Do it.

Algren Cole · Sep 19, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

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Originally Posted by Resin

OK first off, every team requires a Necro. It will be hard for any player that is not of rank 3 to get in a non noob group, not just you as a Necro. Why do you see a lot of IWAY you ask? Because it is a build that requires no skill at all, and it is easy for a brainless Tombs PVPer to throw it together.

A Necro is usefull for IWAY builds, and it is also the most usefull against IWAY builds. One big reason you are not getting into well put together builds is because you are spamming as a Death/Blood Necro, these 2 attributes do not work well together in Tombs. Go Death/Curses and you'll get better teams. Take your time and you'll find teams and meet players you'll play with frequently. It is a tough beginning for any player in Tombs. Do not join IWAY teams. You will not find any players running that build that are worth playing with. Patience will pay off in the future.

You want to set up your character as a support character. Read over the skills and see what would support your team well. Rigor Mortis, Death Wells(Profane/Suffering), Tainted Flesh{Elite}, Rend Ench, Putrid. Your Death att should be 16 with the rest distributed between Soul Reaping and Curses.

Soul Reaping is a waste of attribute points in PvP...people aren't dying quickly enough for this attribute to even be worth putting any points into. It's a great PvE primary attribute as creatures die constantly in PvE....I wouldn't waste attribute points for PvP though.

Sep 19, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Cole, sorry but you are wrong. Have you even done Tombs once?

JL_99 · Sep 19, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Yeah, its a bit of a grind getting to rank 3 so that you can be accepted in more teams and start to meet good people to group with on a regular basis.

I started out tombs wanting to avoid the FOTM builds as much as possible, and trying to find more interesting teams. However, I found that in order to get on an interesting team with a chance for survival before rank 3 I had to wait for hours. I knew I was in trouble when I went around to every district advertising as a healing monk and couldn't find anything! So, unless you have a guild to group with, you may find that its easiest to just grind it out to rank 3 with FOTM teams.

I'm a little ashamed to say that I IWAY'd myself to rank 3, but at least now I can get on the teams that are doing something else and have a shot at holding HoH. And, at least while I was mindlessly IWAYing my way to 180 fame I learned the different maps and the weaknesses of the current FOTM builds.

Sep 19, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

Good Point JL. When I started FOTM Was Air Spike. God that was fun.

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Resin

16 in Death. Do it.

i guess yo are stuck in your smiting build.

i would go blood/curse. there is no need for WoP or suffering cause if you run into a good necro on the other team you will never get your well off. (cast times are way too high)

take consume corpse or putrid to control the corpses. it is more imoprtant to deny the enemy their wells then it is to put up your own.

if you can control the corpses you will most likely win.

again be flexible

Algren Cole · Sep 19, 2005, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Resin

Cole, sorry but you are wrong. Have you even done Tombs once?

unless you are running a minion build Soul Reaping is doing nothing for you. The amount of energy gained when an opponent dies isn't going to be worth not being able to max out another useful attribute.

Sep 19, 2005, 04:48 PM // 16:48

Salja, you say I'm stuck in smiting build, but then you list all death skills. ?????

salja Wachi · Sep 19, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Resin

Salja, you say I'm stuck in smiting build, but then you list all death skills. ?????

i listed them to say you do not need them lol.

no ned for wop and wos.

you do not need attributes in death for consume and putrid. the damage is not important, so you bring putrid as your only death skill.

for the rest bring hexes and disenchants. in other words durse/blood.

like i said all you ahve to do is control coprpses not waste skill slots for wop and wos that you will probably not get off anyway.